lucia, 11.12.04 19:23
Here I read: Julia Roberts gave birth to twins. The boy was named Finneus Walter, the girl Hazel Patricia.
I do not understand why some give a single name, while others double. And in what countries is this accepted, well, in America, probably for sure, and what does this mean? What will the child be called later, according to the first part of the name, then why then the second, and if both parts, then in my opinion, this is not convenient. Here explain pls.
Alina, 11.12.04 19:44
lucia
We can give a child from one to three names. My husband has one, and the children have three (1. Kasper Valtteri Evgeny, 2. Hannu Elmeri Elius 3. Eetu August Oliver) so many names so that when the child grows up and if he doesn’t like his name, he can take from his two or three names, then whichever he likes. Here the average has the first name in Hanna’s passport, and at home we call Elmery. That’s how we have it
Kriksi-Kraksi, 12.12.04 01:08
We will have a double name (Stefanie-Maria) because we like Stefanie, and Maria - that is the name of both my and my husband's grandmother, is very symbolic and the grannies are happy (though the husband is Maria-Katarina) .... and I myself I always wanted a double name for some reason ...
NENE'S MUM, 12.12.04 01:16
lucia
During my second pregnancy, I was looking for English names for my baby that I would like and found a very interesting article. Here is a quote from there:
"Traditionally, in English-speaking countries, a child receives two names at birth: a personal name (personal name, first name) and a middle name (middle name). It is the first, personal name that seems to be the most important, essential. The term "personal name" is understood primarily " individual naming of the subject "(A.V. Speranskaya), officially assigned to him at birth. Of all the onomastic categories, personal names were the first to be documented. They were based on appellatives that were used as nicknames to refer to people. As noted by A.V. Speranskaya, and in our time, "personal names differ from nicknames mainly in that in the former, the common noun of the stems is not as obvious as in the second. In nicknames, it is always fresh ... In personal names, the common noun of the stems is almost always obscured. Nicknames every time they are created anew, personal names pass from generation to generation ... " The article itself is very long, with an analysis of which names appeared when and under what influence.
NENE'S MUM, 12.12.04 01:22
According to statistics, all English children receive two names at birth (first + middle names): personal and secondary. The custom of giving a child a middle name goes back to the tradition of giving a newborn several personal names. In the modern English name book, cases of assigning two or three middle names are more common than the complete absence of a middle name. Although there is no law limiting the number of middle names, more than four additional middle names are usually not assigned: Charles Philip Arthur George, Andrew Albert Christian Edward, Edward Antony Richard Louis, Anne Elisabeth Alice Louise. The role of the middle name at the present time is to serve as an additional individualizing sign, especially for persons who have widespread names and surnames. Both personal names and geographical names, common names, etc. are used as middle names. Often, the surnames of the people in whose honor it is assigned are used as middle names..
NENE'S MUM, 12.12.04 01:26
Quotations taken from: O.A. Leonovich chapter from the book "In the world of English names".
NENE'S MUM, 12.12.04 01:29
If interested, I can send the full article in private.
ELLE, 12.12.04 02:41
lucia
in France there are double, triple and even four names at once, but all this is in official papers, but in life everyone is called by the first name.
My daughter has a triple and my husband has a four.
cherry, 12.12.04 02:48
I named my daughter Jacqueline Lydia. The first name is personal, and Lydia is the middle name, in honor of our Russian grandmother.
Here is such an American-Russian version
ElenaDK, 12.12.04 14:28
My friends (in America) gave my daughter a double name so that she could then choose for herself what she likes best
Went, 12.12.04 14:44
In Israel, especially in religious families, children are often given double names. This is especially common if they want to name a child in honor of a deceased relative, but that one had an "outdated" name. The first name is chosen, which parents liked, and the second - in honor of a deceased relative or some righteous person.
In Judaism, every name has a meaning, and if a person is given a name, then they must be used, otherwise there is no point in giving it. There are families where children are called by two names, there are those where they alternate.
We have Netanel Khaim, Netanel - we just liked it, Khaim - this is in honor of my dad. (Dad's name was Vitaly, Chaim and means "life"). We also try to use the name Chaim sometimes.
In general, I met children here with both 3 and 5 names. There is no limit
Marinka, 12.12.04 15:22
You know, I understand if double names are given by parents related to the Catholic or Protestant faith .... But here we have acquaintances .... purely Orthodox and Russian ... and now I can’t understand why they have children suddenly with double names ... Like Martin Julius ....
Went, 12.12.04 15:27
Marinka
and why not - maybe this is a tribute to the traditions of the country in which they live?
lucia, 12.12.04 15:31
Thanks girls. All this is interesting.
NENE'S MUM Thank you. Well, I probably don’t need the whole article, I’m just curious out of curiosity.
Anna, 12.12.04 15:50
NENE'S MUM
And now I am editing a new book by O.A. Leonovich (although she is not talking about names)! Cool author!
I like double names, but in Russia they are not very common ... only if they are very simple ones like Anna-Maria
Darel, 12.12.04 16:55
Marinka
We are Orthodox and we are just thinking about double names for the children (we are still planning), just to make it better for everyone. Those. one name is secular, easy to pronounce in English and other languages, and the second is Orthodox, for baptism, home and family. Only we have not yet decided to enter one name in the testimonies, to baptize the other, or to enter both names in the testimonial. And while there is time, we are considering other options. For example, call Euphrosyne (record and baptize), and for the local Francis.
If you answer in general, then it seems to me often this is just a way out, like
cherry- both ours and yours.
And I also have a friend, he is always called a middle name, when I saw his first name in official papers - whinnying like crazy - it doesn’t suit him at all, and the middle one is very even. Although his parents called him the first, he grew up and renamed himself - the freedom of choice, so to speak, is also good.
Christina, 12.12.04 23:38
We have a daughter, Anna-Maria. Anna- very simple...
It’s just that for a long time we couldn’t choose what to name our daughter, Anna or Maria? We didn’t know who exactly would be born, and we weren’t sure what the girl would be, so we didn’t choose for sure. And when I was born, it became clear that I needed to decide. And already in the maternity hospital, half an hour after her birth, I myself suggested calling two names at once. \
But at home we call Anya, Manya, Musya and many more affectionate names. And my husband often calls Anna-Marie, in the Estonian manner (his mother is Estonian).
And in general, our fashion has gone to double names, this is in the tradition of Catholics, I don’t know why!
Darel
By the way, we recently baptized our daughter and I knew that one can only be baptized in Orthodoxy with one name, we decided that she would be baptized like Anna. And when they arrived at one church, they looked at the documents and saw that the name was double, and they refused to baptize us! We sorted things out for a long time, had a fight, it was very unpleasant, in the end, we went to another church, where we were baptized without any problems.
So just in case, be prepared for any incidents.
Mermaid, 12.12.04 23:58
I have a daughter, Nicole Marie...
Nicole - it seems like a tricky one. We call Nika, Nikusey ...
And Mary is a completely international, common, biblical name, besides, that was the name of her husband's grandmother (he is Canadian).
NENE'S MUM, 13.12.04 00:12
lucia
I'm just curious out of curiosity
So the fact of the matter is that before I read the article, there was some fragmentary information in my head, but it was written like this - I read it with great interest. Now I'm inserting smart quotes
Darel, 13.12.04 00:29
Christina
Thanks for the advice, we will be ready and take this into account when choosing.
Lalka, 04.02.05 16:14
I like double names, I just like them, that's all.
Moreover, now in Belarus (I don’t know how in Russia) you can write two names in the metric at once, through a dash. True, so far we have come up with only the first name for our son - Adam. And we only think about the second: either Adam-Miroslav, or Adam-Stanislav, or Adam-Vincent.
The latter came to my husband's mind quite recently, but I, in principle, like it.
Lilith, 19.03.05 08:47
I named my daughter Jacqueline Lydia.
Your daughter by first name is my namesake
I named my daughter Stella Sofia.
I'll explain why. During pregnancy, my husband and I thought about naming our daughter Sophia, but then, for various reasons, this idea was abandoned.
I wanted a rare and unusual name, but we had disagreements about the last name
So we found a compromise. I liked the name Stella, but none of my relatives were enthusiastic about it. In addition, we were told that if we initially planned one name, then there is some sense in this and it is absolutely impossible to refuse it.
So we named her Stella Sophia. To keep everyone happy
We will baptize by the second name, but we call the first. It is basic.
Here are the things
Corazon, 08.04.05 17:10
I love double names so much! when they go together well, of course... my husband is Giuseppe Angelo (Giuseppe Angelo), and I wanted to name my son Antonio Augusto, but my husband rejected it and said that it turned out too imperially and just Antonio remained... but it's a pity .. .
Lisa, 08.04.05 17:28
Our young man's name is Richard Brian, but Brian is really only on paper.
In fact, my husband has a middle name, like his father, and now my father would like to make it a tradition along the male line, and give our son the same middle name, but since I was categorically against it, I myself suggested giving Richard a middle name name, like grandfather's first name. It turned out, though not according to him, but it is also impossible to be offended by this.
scorpion509, 19.04.05 03:27
It is also customary for us to give double names, we will also give our baby a double name
we want the first name to be Russian (but having an English version) and the second to be more English.
The first version was Nikita Daniel but was rejected because in America Nikita is a female name
now picked up while Alexey still thinking about the average
Talikoshka, 03.06.05 06:39
Girls, advise! I really want to name the unborn child by my father's name, or at least similar. I am well aware that in modern times with the name Israel (for a girl - Israel) a child is not very comfortable living in Russia. I read Temko and decided that a double name is a good way out. I would like the first name to be familiar to Russians, but not too common. So far, only the Lion of Israel has come up with (named mainly the first). There are no options for girls.
What do you think?
Evgenievna, 03.06.05 15:30
I really want to name the unborn child by my father's name, or at least similar. I am well aware that in modern times with the name Israel (for a girl - Israel) a child is not very comfortable living in Russia. I read Temko and decided that a double name is a good way out. What do you think?
Question number one: is it your father or the child's father? If a child, then in Russia he will still have surname, that is, dad's name.
Question number two: are double names registered in Russia?
Opinion: if you want to call Israel, then call it. Why not very comfortable? Many people lived their lives with this name, and not in Russia, but in the USSR, and nothing. Or are Soviet stereotypes still alive?
Talikoshka, 03.06.05 19:39
Evgenievna, we are talking about my dad. The patronymic will be the usual Russian, the surname too. All together it will sound wild. I don’t have stereotypes and never had them, but for many, they are alive, no doubt. I don't want to ruin my child's life. The difficulty is that I don’t really like the name itself, but I loved my dad very much, words can’t describe what he meant to me, and it’s customary for us to keep the name. So I want to call (and combine with a patronymic) the first name, and the second - just to be.
Evgenievna,
For some reason, the name Leah came to mind for me (since you came up with the name Leo for the boy) - this is a biblical name, and an Orthodox one too (just like Israel).
Are you really sure that Israel is an Orthodox name?
In Russian, the full name of a person consists of name, patronymic and surname. In English-speaking countries, the scheme is slightly different: given name, middle name(s) surname.
The middle name appears because, according to tradition, a child receives two names at birth: personal name(personal name, first name) and middle name(middle name). The most important is precisely personal name. It is most often the "identifier" of a person.
For reference: The custom of giving a child a middle name goes back to the tradition of giving a newborn several personal names. In modern English, cases of assigning two or three middle names are more common than no middle name at all. Although there is no law limiting the number of middle names, more than four additional middle names are usually not assigned: Anne Elisabeth Alice Louise, Charles Philip Arthur George, Andrew Albert Christian Edward.
middle name serves as an additional individualizing sign, especially for persons whose names and surnames are widespread. It stands between the given name and the surname. The middle name is usually represented by the initial letter (middle initial) in full names:
Alan Charles Jones or Alan C. Jones
Both personal names and geographical names, common names, etc. are used as middle names. Often, the surnames of the people in whose honor it is assigned are used as middle names. More recently, in England, it was common to give a boy a traditional name at birth and a somewhat more unusual middle name, and when naming girls, use the same scheme, but in reverse order: if a grown girl does not like the name, then you can always use the middle name.
Sometimes the personal name appears only on documents or registry books, and the middle name is used instead in everyday circulation:
Mackenzie Phillips (Laura Mackenzie Phillips)
JoBeth Williams (Margaret Jobeth Williams).
Some prefer to use their middle name as their last name:
Tom Cruise (Thomas Cruise Mapother)
Jon Stewart (Jonathan Stuart Leibowitz)
Ray Charles (Ray Charles Robinson)
Jake Burton (Jake Burton Carpenter).
In Russian understanding, the middle name not identical patronymic, since patronymic in Russian is called “a paternal name, consisting of the basis of the father’s name and suffixes: -ovich, -ovna, -evich, -evna, -ich, -ichna, usually added to their own name” (T.F. Efremova New dictionary of the Russian language.
It is considered incorrect to write the Russian patronymic in the form of a single initial letter in the way English middle names are usually written. The full Russian name should be written in English, as Ivan Petrov or Ivan Petrovich Petrov, but not like Ivan P. Petrov.
Our ancestors believed that the name of a person is the address of his soul. And the one who knows someone's real name has power over him. Our ancestors sought to protect their children and in everyday life used pseudo-names to name children. This tradition still exists today. All rituals of witchcraft use the name of a person, the name is also used for church purposes in prayers, for example, for the health or for the repose of the dead. What is a “second name”, why give children an additional name? In the Orthodox tradition, at baptism, the priest often gives a middle name (no one should know about this name).
This second, secret name is mentioned in prayers and protects the child from all kinds of evil. Catholics also have a tradition of naming a baby with a double name: one church name is given in honor of the saint, the second is domestic, given in honor of one of the ancestors. Hence the double names - Jean-Baptiste, Anna-Maria, Johann Sebastian.
The appearance of a baby is an important moment in the life of every woman. For a mother, the most important thing is to give her child the best. And for a newborn, there is nothing better than the care, love and attention of a person so important to him. The moments of unity with the baby, when the mother breastfeeds him, are very important for both. This is the time when the mother envelops ...
Computer games are able to interest any child. They develop in children such abilities as: Mindfulness; Logical thinking; Speed reaction. The site http://multoigri.ru/ offers a large selection of various games for girls and boys that will add new positive emotions to life. The player will be able to choose their favorite cartoon character and go through all the adventures that the hero will meet on the way. Educational computer games…
There is nothing more pleasant, but also more troublesome, in addition, than an outstanding case of an exciting and inspired choice of decor not only for our windows, but for the interior as a whole. I would like the coloring of the curtains to be successful, and the quality of the blinds to be worthy. Then the matter remains small, because there is a huge selection of curtains and blinds here. And excellent quality and excellent…
In the modern world, when creating an interior in small rooms, different ways of preserving free space are used. Increasingly, we are talking about sliding mechanisms of partitions. This solution helps to divide the room into several zones and perfectly cope with the problem of comfort at the same time. There are a lot of different models of such products, so there is a huge selection of sliding partitions and doors on the site - ...
Any girl dreams of marriage and a beautiful wedding dress. To look like a princess, it is not enough to buy a dress, it is important to carefully consider its choice and the choice of other little things that complement the image. Choosing a dress is not easy work, a number of features are taken into account here, these are financial opportunities, features of the figure and appearance. Every bride will be surprised by the huge selection of wedding dresses on the site,…
Why do most Americans have double first names?
These are all ancient Roman and Spanish traditions. A woman who gets married keeps both her surnames. And the children receive the first of the father's surnames. And the first of the mother's surnames. For example, Carmen Galven Torres marries José Garcia Ginestar. Their daughter will be named Lucia Garcia Galvan. And when Carmen is addressed as Señora de Garcia, it means that Carmen is the wife of Señor Garcia.
Double names are popular not only among Americans, but also among other peoples - the British, for example. It is customary for them to give several names: a personal name (first name) and a middle name ((middle name). The middle name is located between the personal name and the surname. In addition, there can be several middle names (two, three or even four). Many names have a special meaning, which can be found in special books.Sometimes the middle name is associated with some locality or the names of ancestors, as well as the surnames of other people.And although a person is usually addressed by the first name, which is the most important, in official documents names Americans are recorded in full.
Why do we need double names? In addition to any superstitions, we note that a properly selected list of names sounds beautiful and impressive. It becomes much easier to identify a person with a large number of names, since the first name and last name can be the same as the names of other people, and the full name most likely becomes unique. Also, double names for Americans and British are an ingrained tradition, just like it is customary for us to call a person by his patronymic.
Double (and sometimes triple or more) names are given not only by Americans, but also by Spaniards and other peoples. An additional name is given for protection. That is, the more names given to a person, the more guardian angels he will have in life.
Now no one thinks about traditions and everything is simpler, this is not because everyone is superstitious, but because everyone is like that
Americans don't have middle names. That is, not at all.
The second name of the child can be anything and it will be exactly the name, and not an attempt to recreate the patronymic. Usually this name is not used, except in documents, and therefore in films it is sometimes found oh, your middle name is Christian! and I didn't know!
American culture is secondary. Its origins lie in medieval Europe. Then the worst epidemics of various types of plague and other deadly diseases raged across Europe. The lower ranks of the people came up with a trick that should save the children from imminent death. At baptism, the child was given several names so that death could not determine who to take with him. Jean or Louis, Adam or Peter. Death came for Adam, but he is not there! Peter lives in the house. This belief was brought to the USA by emigrants. It still lives and is popular among residents of the United States.
