The name Ilya is quite common in Russia, but many people do not know how the patronymic formed from this name will sound. This article will help you understand the correct use of this patronymic, as well as its spelling and sound features.

The name Ilya is very ancient, its history goes far into the past and goes back hundreds of years. However, many people still doubt how to correctly form a patronymic from a given name. Next, we will talk about this.

How will the boy's patronymic sound on behalf of Ilya?

On behalf of Ilya masculine patronymic will sound like "Ilyich". There are no other options for the formation of a patronymic from this name.

How will the girl's middle name sound on behalf of Ilya?

For girls whose middle name is formed from the name Ilya, it will be written as "Ilyinichna", while it sounds a little different. Namely - "Ilyinishna". Later in the article we will explain why this happens.

How to name a boy with a patronymic Ilyich, what names are suitable, what are consonant?

Absolutely all parents faced such a problem: “How to name a child so that the name fits the patronymic?”. The combination "name-patronymic" should be easily perceived by ear. In other words, the name should be consonant with the patronymic and vice versa. In addition, many parents also pay attention to the following factors:

• meaning of the name
• famous people, bearing the desired name
• acquaintances and friends with the same name
• numerology, astrology

For a child with a patronymic Ilyich, the following name options will be consonant:

• Pert Ilyich
• Ivan Ilyich
• Lev Ilyich
• Leonid Ilyich
• Andrey Ilyich
• Pavel Ilyich
• Alexander Ilyich
• Roman Ilyich
• Dmitry Ilyich
• Anton Ilyich
• Anatoly Ilyich
• Oleg Ilyich
• Artem Ilyich
• Platon Ilyich
• Ilya Ilyich
• Semyon Ilyich
• Arkady Ilyich
• Vyacheslav Ilyich
• Vladimir Ilyich
• Viktor Ilyich
• Boris Ilyich
• Gennady Ilyich
• Roman Ilyich

If you prefer rare or foreign names take a look at the options below:

• Anisim Ilyich
• Afanasy Ilyich
• German Ilyich
• Bogdan Ilyich
• Elisey Ilyich
• Dementy Ilyich
• Zakhar Ilyich
• Zinovy ​​Ilyich
• Miroslav Ilyich
• Makar Ilyich
• Rodislav Ilyich
• Stepan Ilyich
• Onisim Ilyich

How to name a girl with a patronymic Ilyinichna, what names are suitable, consonant?

It is much easier for a girl to choose a name for the patronymic Ilyinichna than for a boy. Still, there are more female names than male ones and everyone can choose according to their taste.

Here is a list of consonant female names for Ilyinichna's patronymic:

• Tatyana Ilyinichna
• Yana Ilyinichna
• Alla Ilyinichna
• Svetlana Ilyinichna
• Elena Ilyinichna
• Victoria Ilyinichna
• Elizaveta Ilyinichna
• Anna Ilyinichna
• Sofia Ilyinichna
• Valeria Ilyinichna
• Irina Ilyinichna
• Maria Ilyinichna
• Marina Ilyinichna
• Anastasia Ilyinichna
• Olga Ilyinichna
• Alina Ilyinichna
• Alisa Ilyinichna
• Oksana Ilyinichna
• Evgenia Ilyinichna
• Miroslava Ilyinichna
• Vera Ilyinichna
• Lyudmila Ilyinichna

Sometimes it rare names give a good combination. For example:

• Avrora Ilyinichna
• Ulyana Ilyinichna
• Yulianna Ilyinichna
• Nonna Ilyinichna
• Kristina Ilyinichna
• Theodora Ilyinichna
• Varvara Ilyinichna
• Zhanna Ilyinichna
• Rimma Ilyinichna

How is the middle name spelled correctly: Ilyinichna or Ilyinishna?

According to the rules of the Russian language, choosing from two spellings Ilyinichna or Ilyinishna, the first option will be correct. In no case should you replace the combination "ch" with "sh" in writing. At the same time, we pronounce exactly the opposite. This is due to the fact that when pronouncing, many combinations of letters are “swallowed” to say faster. For example, in the word "sun" the letter "l" is lost during pronunciation, and in the word "ladder" the letter "t" is lost. It's much easier and faster to pronounce. Such letters or combinations of letters are called unpronounceable.

The combination "ch", as in Ilyinichna's patronymic, is pronounced for a very long time, in addition, consonants are stunned. As a result, we get the familiar sound of "Ilyinishna".

Attention! In this case, the rule “As it is heard, so it is written” does not work!

Declension of patronymics Ilyich and Ilyinichna by cases

We give examples of the declension of patronymics Ilyinichna and Ilyich.

Declension of patronymic Ilyich by cases:

• nominative case - Ilyich
• genitive case - Ilyicha
• dative case - Ilyich
• accusative - Ilyich
• instrumental case - Ilyich
• prepositional case - Ilyich

Declension of patronymic Ilyinichna by cases:

• nominative case - Ilyinichna
• genitive case - Ilyinichny
• dative case - Ilyinichne
• accusative case - Ilyinichnu
• instrumental case - Ilyinichnaya
• prepositional case - Ilyinichne

This list of cases will come in handy for competent oral and written speech.

Famous and famous people with patronymic Ilyich and Ilyinichna

There are a lot of famous people with a patronymic Ilyich or Ilyinichna. Here are examples famous people with such a patronymic.

Leonid Ilyich Parkhomenko- Soviet actor, played in many films. Famous. Alla Ilyinichna Levushkina— one of the oldest and most experienced surgeons in Russia. She has vast experience, saved tens of thousands of lives.

Video: The meaning of patronymic Ilyinichna. Women's patronymics and their meanings

Surname(in specialized literature also patronymic ) - part of the generic name, which is assigned to the child by the name of the father. Variations of patronymic names can also connect their carriers with more distant ancestors - grandfathers, great-grandfathers, etc.

In the pre-family period, naming by name and patronymic served the purpose of more accurate identification of a person, that is, it performed the same social function, which is what modern surnames are.

Patronymic - patronymic, an indication of the name of the father. In modern Russian, it has the ending -ovich/-evich/-ich, -ovna/-evna/-ichna/-inichna; also in antiquity -ov/-ev/-in, -ova/-eva/-ina likewise modern surnames(V Bulgarian it has been preserved). The patronymic as part of the nominal formula performs a triple function: it complements the name, distinguishing its owner (in addition to the surname) from the namesake, clarifies kinship in the family circle (father - son) and expresses respect (a form of politeness).

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Middle name formation

Modification of the form of the father's name in the patronymic may occur different ways. If in Russian the suffixal method is used to form a patronymic, then, for example, in the Gaelic language it is expressed analytically. Famous Irish and Scottish surnames that begin with particle Poppy, were originally patronymics: "Mac Dhòmhnaill" (nominative + genitive) - the son of a man named Dòmhnall.

Patronymics among different peoples

The use of patronymics in one form or another is characteristic of many cultures, but is most characteristic among those peoples whose surnames have appeared quite recently, or are completely absent as a class. Today they are widely used in Arabic, Icelandic, Mongolian, East Slavic and Bulgarian.

Greek patronymics

Among the Greeks, both ancient and modern, the patronymic is the name of the father in the genitive case.

The ancient Greeks in Everyday life used only individual name, but patronymics were also used for official documents. So, full name Demosthenes - Demosthenes Demosthenus Peanieus (other Greek. Δημοσθένης Δημοσθένους Παιανιεύς ), that is, Demosthenes son of Demosthenes from the phylum Paenia.

patronymics vile, that is, ignoble people, in Russia were originally formed as short form possessive adjective from corresponding name, For example: Ivan Petrov son or, in a later version, Ivan Petrov; Fyodor Lukin son - Fedor Lukin. At some point, the patronymic could become a hereditary surname, so the son Ivan Petrov was called Vasily Ivanov son of Petrov, his grandson Nikolai Vasilyev son of Petrov etc.

However, patronymic forms on -ov/-ev were used only in clerical speech, in official documents. In informal situations, in everyday life, Russian people called each other by their first names and patronymics in the form that is familiar to us now: -ovich, -evich, -ovna, -evna, -ich, -ichna, -inichna was not limited. Sometimes it was even used instead of a name (as sometimes it is now), when the speaker wanted to emphasize special respect for a person, to show a shade of affection, love.

In modern Russian, patronymic is formed in two ways:

• Patronymics formed from male names of the second declension are formed by adding suffixes to the base -ovich/-ovna, -evich/-evna: Roman - Roman ovic, Nikolay - Nikola evich; at the same time, names ending in -y can change it to -ь-: Vitaly - Vital yevich; but: Dmitry - Dmitry ievich.
• Patronymics of men, formed from male names of the first declension, are formed by adding a suffix to the stem -ich or -ovich: Kuzma - Kuzm ich, Luca - Bow ich, Nikita - Nikita ich(option - Nikit ovic), Iona - Ion ovic.
• Patronymics of women, formed from male names of the first declension, are formed by adding a suffix to the stem -ichna if the ending was unstressed,
  And -inichna if the stress fell on the ending: Nikita A- Nikit ichna(option - Nikit ram), but Luk A- Onion initial.
  However, Jonah - Jonah ram.

Occasionally, there is a construction of two patronymics formed from the name of the father and the name of the grandfather (moreover, the second patronymic appears in the genitive case), for example, Jón Þórsson Bjarnarsonar - lit. Jón, son of Thor, son of Bjarni.

In addition to patronymics given by the father, matronyms also existed in Scandinavia. In Sweden, patronymic names were only abolished in 1966.

• Sven II Estridsen (1020-1074?), King of Denmark - patronymic only.
• Lennart Torstensson (1603-1651), field marshal of Sweden - patronymic only, a late example for the nobility.
• Jacob Pontusson Delagardie (1583-1652), Field Marshal of Sweden - surname and patronymic.

Bulgarian patronymics

In the Bulgarian language, patronymics are formed by adding the suffix -ov or -ev to the name of the father, that is, in a way that also existed in Russia. For example Georgi Ivanov Ivanov - Georgi son of Ivan Ivanov, Ivayla Todorova Stoyanova - Ivayla daughter of Todor Stoyanov.

Vainakh patronymics

The Vainakhs (Chechens and Ingush) have a patronymic that precedes the name - Khamidan Vakha, Vakha Khamidovich - this would sound in Russian.

Mari patronymics

In the pre-Christian era, the anthroponymic model of the Mari was two-term. It included the father's name (patronymic), which comes first in the genitive case, and a proper name, for example: Izergen Ipay, Shemvuin Vasliy, Lapkasyn Korak.

Mongolian patronymics

Mongolian patronymic is the name of the father in the genitive case, formed by adding suffixes -un or -in. The main identifier of a person in everyday life is a personal name, while the patronymic appears primarily in official documents and the media. On the letter, the patronymic, and not the name, is reduced to the initial: for example, Nambaryn Enkhbayar - N. Enkhbayar. IN last years in the media, especially those oriented to foreign audiences, there has been a tendency to write the father's name without genitive case suffixes and sometimes after the personal name in the manner western surname, for example, Monkh-Erdenegiin Tөgөldөp - Mөnkh-Erdene Tөgөldөr

Turkic patronymics

Formed with words ogly (uly, uulu) for sons and kyzy (gizi) for daughters (words son And daughter (girl) V possessive form 3 persons singular). For example, the children of Azerbaijani Salim named Mammad and Leyla will be called Mammad Salim-ogly and Leyla Salim-kyzy. For Turkic peoples The USSR - Azerbaijanis and Kazakhs - allowed such a recording of patronymics in metrics (regardless of whether they lived in their union republics or outside them). In the 1990s, there was a mass trend of naming newborns in this way [ ] . Due to some inconvenience (confusion with first names, last names, patronymics when processing documents in Russia), the popularity of such first names (without a last name) in Lately decreased significantly [ ] . In Turkic patronymics, the words "ogly" and "kyzy" are elements that form a patronymic, like the Russian ones -ovich, evich, -ovna, -evna. Therefore, according to the rules of abbreviations to initials, this element is not included in the abbreviation (example: Ibragimov Ali Huseyn-ogly - abbreviated to initials as Ibragimov A.G.).

In the Netherlands

In the Netherlands, patronymics existed in the past and are still used informally among the Frisians. Female patronymics were formed with the help of -dochter (daughter), male - with the help of -zoon (son), in the abbreviated form -sz or -s. For example, full name famous composer was Jan Pieterszoon Sweelinck, Rembrandt's full name was Rembrandt Harmenszoon van Rijn.

For people of humble origin, the surname could be absent, and in such cases the patronymic partially played the role of a surname and made it possible to distinguish people. So, the famous navigator Willem Barents did not have a surname, Barents (Barents, Barentsz) or Barentszon (Barentszoon) - a patronymic, meaning son of Barent.

Over time, when the entire population of Holland acquired surnames, patronymics practically fell into disuse.

In the countries of the Iberian Peninsula

In the countries of the Iberian Peninsula (Castile, León, Navarre, Aragon and Portugal), patronymics existed in the Middle Ages. They were formed using the suffix -ez (with variants -oz, -iz, etc., in Portugal also -es) of unknown origin. The earliest use of patronymics is noted among the king of Navarre

Middle name, i.e. in a special way formalized father's name this person, which is part of its naming, - characteristic Russian naming system. A number of other peoples may also have peculiar naming forms, similar to Russian patronymics, but formed in other ways and completely different from Russian ones.

Patronymics from male names (Russian and non-Russian) in Russian are formed according to the following rules:

1. If the name ends in a hard consonant (except and , w, h, sch, c), added -ovich /ram: Alexander + ovich / ovna, Ivan + + ovich / ovna, Gamzat + ovich / ovna, Karl + ovich / ovna.

2. For names ending in and , w, h, sch, c, added -evich /evna: George + evich / evna, Janusz + evich / evna, Milic + evich / evna, Franz + evich / evna.

3. If the name ends in an unstressed vowel A , at, s, added to it -ovich /ram, and the final vowels of the name are discarded: Antipa - Antipovich / Antipovna, Vavila - Vavilovich / Vavilovna, Gavrila - Gavrilovich / Gavrilovna, Danila - Danilovich / Danilovna, Vakha - Vakhovich / Vakhovna, Shalva - Shalvovich / Shalvovna.

Exception: from Russian names Anikita, Nikita, Mina, Savva, Strength, Foca traditional forms of patronymics are formed on -ich /ichna: Anikita - Anikitich / Anikitichna, Nikita - Nikitich / Nikitichna, Mina - Minich / Minichna, Savva - Savvich / Savvichna, Strength - Silich / Silichna, Foka - Fokich / Fokichna.

4. If the name ends in an unstressed vowel O , added to it -ovich /ram, and the final vowel of the name and initial suffix merge into one sound [o]: Vasilko + ovich / ovna, Mikhailo + ovich / ovna, Otto + ovich / ovna, Heino + ovich / ovna, Ugo + + ovich / ovna, Antonio + ovich / ovna.

5. If an unstressed final vowel is preceded by and or w , h, sch, c, then added -evich /evna, and the vowel is dropped: Vazha - Vazhevich / Vazhevna, Gocha - Gochevich / Gochevna.

6. If the name ends in a soft consonant, i.e., consonant + b, added to it -evich /evna, and final b discarded: Igor - Igorevich / Igorevna, Caesar - Tsezarevich / Tsezarevna, Wil - Vilevich / Vilevna, Kamil - Kamilevich / Kamilevna, Shamil - Shamilevich / Shamilevna, Oles - Olesevich / Olesevna.

7. If the name ends in an unstressed vowel e , added to it -evich /evna, moreover, the final vowel of the name and the initial suffix merge: Aarne - Aarnevich / Aarnevna, Grigore - Grigorevich / Grigorevna, Villie - Vilyevich / Vilievna, Vyaine - Vyaynevich / Vyainevna.

8. If the name ends in an unstressed vowel And , added to it -evich /evna, Willy - Villievich / Villievna, Ilmari - Ilmarievich / Ilmariyevna.

9. If the name ends in an unstressed combination uy , added to it -evich /evna, and final th discarded, and the penultimate And or goes to b , or remains:

a) goes into b after one consonant or group nt : Vasily - Vasilyevich / Vasilyevna, Mariy - Maryevich / Maryevna, Julius - Yulievich / Yulyevna, Vikenty - Vikentievich / Vikentievna, Leonty - Leontievich / Leontievna, Terenty - Terentievich / Terentievna;

b) remains after To , X, c, and also after two consonants (except for the group nt ): Nikiy - Nikievich / Nikievna, Luciy - Lucievich / Lucievna, Stakhiy - Stakhievich / Stakhievna, Dmitry - Dmitrievich / Dmitrievna, Kelsius - Kelsievich / Kelsievna, Lolly - Lollievich / Lollievna.

10. Old Russian names ending in combinations her And and I , -evich /evna, while the final I discarded, and And or e saved: Meneya - Meneevich / Meneevna, Zakharia - Zakharievich / Zaharievna, Akhiya - Akhievitch / Akhiev-na, Osiya - Osievich / Osievna, Malakhiya - Malakhievich / Malakhievna.

11. To names ending in stressed vowels A , I, e, uh, And, s, yo, O, at, Yu, added -evich /evna, while the final vowel is preserved: Aibu - Aibuevich / Aibuevna, Badma - Badmaevich / Badma-evna, Batu - Butuevich / Batuevna, Vali - Valievich / Valievna, Dakko - Dakkoevich / Dakkoevna, Ise - Iseevich / Iseevna, Safa - Safaevich / Safaevna, Fayzi - Fayzievich / Fayzievna, Khamzya - Khamzyaevich / Khamzyaevna.

12. Names ending in percussion combinations ah , yay, to her, Hey, uy, th, Ouch,uy, yu, form patronymics by adding -evich /evna, and final th discarded: Akbai - Akbaevich / Akbaevna, Kiy - Kievich / Kievna, Matvey - Matveevich / Matveevna, Okhoi - Okhoevich / Okhoevna, Sysoi - Sysoevich / Sysoevna.

13. Names ending in two vowels aa , ay, ey, uh, ai, uu (usually this Buryat names), save them, forming patronymics by adding -evich /evna: Bimbii - Bimbiievich / Bimbiievna, Boboo - Bobooevich / Bobooevna, Burbee - Burbeeevich / Burbeeevna, Dambuu - Dambuuevich / Dambuuevna, Kanshau - Kanshauevich / Kansha-uevna, Kachaa - Kachaaevich / Kachaaevna.

Over time, the rules for the formation of patronymics change. For example, patronymics from Tatar and some other names tend to align with Russian patterns and take the form Nabiullovich(instead of Nabiullaevich), Khamzevich(instead of Khamzyaevich), Yanovich(instead of Yanisovich), Marievich(instead of Mariusovich), Ionovich(instead of Ionasovich), Vakhtangovich(instead of Vakhtangievich) etc. In addition, some formations according to the rules outlined are highly controversial. For example, if Buryat names Boboo, Dambuu, Budii appear in Russian spelling Boboy, Dambu, Budi, then the names should look like this: Boboevich, Dambuevich, Budievich. From Georgian names Shota, Wano, Vaso, Shio it is better to form patronymics Shotovich, Vanovich, Vasovich, Shiovich, how Shotaevich etc. Patronymics from names like Isa - Isaevich, are also controversial, since the latter also corresponds to the name Isaiah. Education is possible here Isovich.

how will it be for a girl and a boy? I read it in one resource, the last comment caused laughter, the name is good, but that's how the patronymic does not sound very good. so what are your options?

What is the middle name of Nikita?

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2 years ago

The patronymic, formed from the name Nikita, sounds correctly like NIKITOVICH. There is also a variant "Nikitich" - but this is a vernacular pronunciation, which is appropriate when referring to a rural grandfather, but not in official documents. Just like in common parlance, we call our son Mikhail "Mikhalych", but correctly "Mikhailovich".

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2 years ago

Never heard of Nikitovich! my son's name is Nikita and he will have children - Nikitich or Nikitichna. not very pretty. but I like the name Nikita madly! for me it is the best, the most perfect)

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over a year ago

The boy's patronymic on behalf of Nikita will be Nikitich, but not Nikitovich or Nikitievich, this is wrong, but for girls, if her dad's name is Nikita, the patronymic will be Nikitichna, as well as for example other names :

Luka - Lukich, Lukinichna

Ilya - Ilyich, Ilyinichna.

Patronymic Nikitovich or Nikitievich does not comply with the rules of the Russian language.

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2 years ago

I think, and read that on behalf of Nikita there can be a patronymic and Nikitovich, and Nikitich. Probably, they choose how it will sound more harmonious with the name. I also have a son, Nikita. I think that when he has a son, for example, Igor, then both Igor Nikitovich and Igor Nikitich will sound great.

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over a year ago

Patronymic - Nikitich and Nikitichna on behalf of Nikita.

Patronymic - Fomich and Fominichna on behalf of Thomas.

Patronymic - Kuzmich and Kuzminichna from an old Russian name Kuzma.

Patronymic - Igorevich on behalf of Igor.

Such patronymics are from all male names that have endings - A, I and b.

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2 years ago

I have a woman in my family, Ida Nikitichna. I have never heard of the middle name Nikitovna or Nikitovich. It seems to me that the variant Nikitich will be correct and this is not a simplified form of patronymic. Maybe I'm wrong of course.

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2 years ago

There was such a Russian hero - Dobrynya Nikitich. So after all, it seems to be, it is unacceptable Nikitovich, there is only Nikitich (Nikitichna)

The article talks about how the patronymic for the name Nikita sounds correctly. What names of boys and girls will go with them.

Parents always think before giving their child a name. After all, with this name their child will live all his life. In addition, it is part of the essence, affects the processes taking place in fate. The name influences human actions and even forms certain character traits.

In particular, Nikita, translated from ancient Greek, is a winner, suitable for certain individuals who were born in the constellation of Taurus, Virgo, Gemini and Libra. But choosing a name for a person is an important matter, no less paramount is taking care of how the patronymic of his children will sound in the future.

How does the female patronymic of the girl on behalf of Nikita sound correctly?

If the girl's father was named Nikita, then her patronymic will sound correctly - Nikitichna. At first glance - a little old-fashioned and sounds like a folksy. However, a well-chosen girl's name will be successfully combined with such a patronymic.

Many mistakenly think that it is right Nikitovich or Nikitievich. Such statements do not comply with any rules of the Russian language. Suffice it to recall the hero of Russian epics - Dobrynya Nikitich.

By the way, they believe that young people who bear the name Nikita are very kind to their relatives, love children, parents, family, and are hardworking. Even though they absolutely cannot settle disputes, they do not bend under someone else's opinion. Getting along with such a man is difficult for those women who have leadership traits.

How does it sound: Nikitovna or Nikitichna?

How does the male patronymic of the boy sound on behalf of Nikita?

Boys with a patronymic are also given part of the energy of the name Nikita. In the future, such a baby will grow up stubborn, strong, healthy, and achieve his goals. No wonder Nikita is the Winner.

Of course, much depends on the chosen name for the child. If you name the baby Alexander, then his middle name will be Nikitich. These two names are perfectly associated not only in sound, but also in characterization.

As already mentioned, patronymics Nikitovich, Nikitievich are not used in Russian, although in colloquial speech sometimes these words can often be heard. Therefore, when you are issued a birth certificate for a child, carefully check whether it is filled out correctly. Otherwise, you will have to correct errors in the future.

Male names suitable for patronymic Nikitich: list

The impact of the name on the character, the fate of a person has been proven more than once by examples. Observant ancestors in ancient times made up common features for this or that name, which can be traced in the tees. Also, the word that a person is called has an influence:

• For self-realization, personal development in society
• For family well-being, personal inclinations and even health
• To the harmony of fate, the formation of character, the achievement of heights in a career
• On emotional development, intelligence

For patronymic Nikitich, names are well suited:

1. Sergey, Evgeny, Mikhail
2. Alexey, Stanislav
3. Jaromir, Svetozar, Svyatoslav
4. Ilya, Athanasius, Andrey
5. Miroslav, Timofey, Pavel
6. Peter, Roman, Matthew
7. Ivan, Savely, Victor
8. Maxim, Oleg, Dmitry

Female names suitable for patronymic Nikitichna: list

When a girl is born, it is important to give her a name so that it is not only beautiful, but also harmonious with the surname and patronymic.

For patronymic Nikitichna, the following names will be consonant:

1. Daria, Anna, Maria
2. Arina, Katerina, Alena
3. Alina, Sofia, Darina
4. Vasilisa, Marina, Zinaida
5. Elizabeth, Victoria, Olga
6. Diana, Julia, Kira
7. Milana, Valeria, Polina

Pick up correct name it can be very difficult for a baby, especially since parents rarely think the same way. Everyone has different tastes and preferences. However, young mothers and fathers should not argue, be categorical and quarrel. Better do the following:

• each on a piece of paper, select several options for names for the crumbs so that they sound good with the last name, patronymic
• swap these lists, maybe you will immediately have a common version of the name you like
• if not, then do not rush to immediately discuss what was written, after a few days have passed, only then can a general consensus be reached.

Video: Choosing a name for a child by patronymic